A few to consider removing (I may be missing why you have them in, so user discretion is advised or something): Archive Trap, Outpost Siege, Palace Siege, Ponder, Preordain, Haunting Echoes, Cruel Ultimatum (this seems insanely hard to cast, and hits only 1 player, unless you can copy it I'd run Captive Audience if I want to hose one player hard), Cranial Extraction, Cormela, Glamour Thief, Kess, Dissident Mage, Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger, Lobber Crew, Loyal Subordinate, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Obeka, Brute Chronologist, Phenax, God of Deception, Runo Stromkirk I untap and retap Obeka with the same question. And even if I'm wrong on both of those, I can almost gaurentee that if you tried this at a tournament a judge would accept "I'm going to say no to ending my turn indefinitely" as a reasonable way to end this loop. 719.1d; see also C.R. All in all, lots of Magic on my mind. 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EDIT (Sep. 18): Some rules were renumbered in the meantime. Feeds | If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Commander) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX 5291 decks (0.269%) Rank #71 Navigation By Theme By Budget All Cheap Expensive Links Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution In response you, as the active player, activate obeka. Another Goad source that is great with a creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of the time. Card Kingdom $624 - 564. There is no way currently printed to extend the duration across multiple turns. Contact | Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END Decklist CMC Mana Prices Charts Draw 7 Commander 1 Obeka, Brute Chronologist Hand into play 1 Sneak Attack 1 Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded Token copies of creatures 1 Mimic Vat 1 Flameshadow Conjuring 1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Graveyard to battlefield 1 Araumi of the Dead Tide We are mainly confused about at the next end step and until end of turn effects. is there anyway for obeka's controller controller to keep control of the artifact that was taken due to nabber's effect? Add To Wishlist Restock Notice Gatherer & Rulings. Ignore EoT black discard/life loss effects. Add to Cart 1; $0.32 . You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. Has Purphoros been working well for you? As for some cards to remove, I'll take a look, but if I'm trying to build a deck that can handle attention, I look first at cards that will hurt only 1 player, unless that card will almost certainly end that player, either right away or in a few turns. What do you think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the bandit lord for haste? 603.7b; see also [[Bonus Round]] and [[Glimpse of Nature]]). If you swing at who I want, I'll let you keep it for a while. I'm not a judge but I'm like 99% sure this doesn't work. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Commander / EDH* Casual Combo Haste Jank Multiplayer Reanimator Theme/Gimmick Tokens UBR (Grixis) Unearth. Obeka, Brute Chronologist | Upping the Average EDHRECast 50.1K subscribers Subscribe 1K 30K views 9 months ago Check out BOTH decklists below! On the other hand, neither player has any incentive to ever change their action or decision. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Doesn't work at all. I have Obeka, Brute Chronologist enchanted with Freed from the Real and all the blue mana I need. Per the rules you linked: If two or more players are involved in maintaining a loop within a turn, each player in turn order chooses a number of iterations to perform. It might be allowed in the rules, but it seems like a dick move tbh, My playgroup plays with combos like this. This kind of ability goes on the stack after it triggers (C.R. Rule juggling is fun but you're overlooking other rules. So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. Signets and talismans seem extra good since they let us cast Obeka on turn 3. See cards from the most recent sets and discover what players just like you are saying about them. $1.80. Thanks! Playtest v1. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. I could theoretically choose a lower number than my opponent but there's no reason to, and so the loop repeats however many times the opponent chose and now they must make a new decision: end the turn. As you've got access to Blue, there are a few non-Rakdos tricks you can use, the most hilarious I know of is Mass Diminish, note that it lasts until your next turn and have a good laugh. If someone did this to me in a game, I'd just say no x infinity so at most itd result in a draw. Add to Cart 1; 2; $0.63 . 513.1a); this change generally didn't change the functionality of any cards (before Magic 2010, "at end of turn" meant the beginning of the relevant "end of turn step", now called end step [C.R. First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#U.. hey guys just rule checking . The opponent can't choose more No than you can choose Untap. He occupies a happy place in my Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck. At any point in the game, the player with priority may suggest a shortcut by describing a sequence of game choices, for all players, that may be legally taken based on the current game state and the predictable results of the sequence of choices. It's amazing. planning on building an Obeka, Brute Chronologist commander deck, but first i want to see how her turn ending ability interacts with other cards:. If Obeka's ability is used to end the turn on the turn when nabber's effect ends does obeka's controller keep control of the artifact, or does it go back to the original controller? 1x Blightstep Pathway. The ending point of this sequence must be a place where a player has priority, though it need not be the player proposing the shortcut. 719.1b), but it will still trigger again at the next appropriate moment (C.R. by darrenhabib 1 year ago. The same applies to abilities that begin with "At end of combat, " (e.g., [[Kytheon, Hero of Akros]]), and the same applies to delayed triggered abilities that specify a duration, as in the examples "Until end of turn, whenever" and "Whenever this turn, " (C.R. $0.24. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. by Astroburrito, Kess Wizzards So they can still say "no I want my turn to continue.". Obeka, Brute Chronologist is a commander that can be built around theft, extra turns or rez strategies. Does ending the turn at end of combat delay the Final Fortune trigger until my next turn's end step, or does ending the turn with Obeka during combat immediately put any and all end of turn triggers on the stack and I need to find another way to end the turn before those resolve and I lose the game? by Chakagozio, Speak "friend" and Enter [PRIMER] 511.2, 603.7b). Ive done a lot of reading and keep getting conflicting information. The End Phase consists of two steps, the End Step and the Cleanup Step.The End Step doesn't really do much, it basically exists so that triggers looking for it can trigger and gives players a chance to do stuff before the turn ends.The Cleanup Step on the other hand does a lot. It has " Tap: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. EDIT (Oct. 24, 2022): Strike out special case for Delina, according to changes in Oracle text. This means that the control changing effect will still end and the artifact will revert to its previous controller. Commander Color Restriction Rules w/ Component Pouch. Edit: adding comprehensive rules reference. Also, I think loops generally have to do something for a judge to not consider them stalling, and I don't think making my opponent say "no" counts as doing something. EDIT (Sep. 24, 2022): Remove a rule citation. They decline to end the turn. 99.9% of the time you should be ending your own turn, but on the odd occasion you could use it as a tool to prevent other players from using instants during other players turns. DMCA requests | (Note the lack of the word "next".) Patrons help maintain an ad-light experience, and are never shown ads. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. This site is unaffiliated. In order for it to be considered a shortcut loop you must propose all actions involved including your opponents. Not if 720.3[edit 722.3] (added reference in OP) takes effect. Is "Deflecting Swat" free if my commander is an enchantment? 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