As someone who has played all nations, I have had the opportunity to play with and against German tanks. This puts Germany in a lose/lose position when choosing their plane to call in. First of all the amount of smoke the projectile generates when it strikes a target is ridiculous. I'll give you a half point for this one as I clearly said the M18 will head to your spawn after it caps, Well if it makes you feel better stranger things have happened. Meanwhile, in the real world, while the Tiger II is waiting for its gun to steady to take a shot, the Centurion Mk3's stabilized gun lets it point precisely at the tiger's turret-face with swift ease. And since most Panther drivers know that, they usually just camp. The second was the Persian Gulf War era Challenger 1, which was the British army's main battle tank (MBT) from the early 1980s to the mid-1990s. From mud, through blood, to the green fields beyond. APDS is guaranteed damage, just aim for specific crew one at a time or shoot for modules. - If it is a sufficiently big map he will just cap before you even get to see the cap point. And the T30 which has a 30 second reload on a 200mm round penetration is sad to say the least and in my opinion off that its worthy if 6.3 due to that fact but thats a different discussion. #15. In a case of 1535,9 it was established that an individual who suffered particular damage over and above that inflicted upon the general population could maintain a separate action for damages. While an M18s speed might allow it to get to a point a few moments before a Panther would, the M18s lack of armor and less capable cannon burden it if something like a Panther arrives shortly thereafter. While I played my Germans at 5.7, uptiers beyond 6.0 were very rare. (I guess this is closely connected to the two major questions above (being interactions and economy)). And I've never had issues with the breach on a T series unless I've hit the outside of it or its well past 500 meters which is were the 88 will struggle you can still go through the hull of it but need to be more cautious as a whole. Not enough apparently the M41 appears to be shrouded in mediocrity that is the M41. Apds isn't guaranteed damage actually put rounds through things and have done no damage on many occasions. Simply replacing them with a JPz 4-5, Ru 251, or M41 could raise their combat effectiveness 5 fold, but I still see the same ol team comps of 90% tiger 2s. And the side of the turret doesn't really mean alot as you can still punch through it with basically the same thing as the other you die no matter what so if you good up that shot its on you. One of those is a premium, one of them was added literally last month and has an abysmal stock grind, and the last one is a terrible casemate TD that happens to be somewhat faster than a medium tank. As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. Which is why its more rewarding when they pull it off as they had to put more effort into making it work and that's what people need nowadays a challenge. Been consistent honestly. That is basically telling your enemy "I am here" and to commit assisted suicide. Real German problem here---> East Germany, "Where's our tank? Samuel Tito Pessa. For anyone who has ever played War Thunder and certainly for those who have perused the forums, the line Germany suffers! is probably something youve heard before. This is why nobody takes anyone who believes in tygor syndrom seriously. Absolutely you're right on that point, but let's turn the tables here for some perspective. What? The most obvious example of this is that a player can jump directly from the Panzer IIIs at 3.0 to the Tiger H1 at 5.3. I'll add as a supposition (GE doesn't share the data) that Germany is probably the first nation people pick up to start. If you turn it to the side you just shoot the huge side of the turret. Meanwhile the M18 will be sitting in the ambush or going around the cap into your back because he know that you will not dare to cap. Germany has so many vehicles that some are clunkers and others are very OP. Mobility is the aspect that most German vehicles are less focused on than their peers, but this is made up for by the Germans better firepower/armor than their peers. Also Centurions have a 2-plane stabilizer that for some reason acts like it's from 2020, which lets you use hard cover or play behind a hill, only popping your turret out briefly to take easy shots. You cant carry against so many players. And as I've tested myself it was consistent to take out the 2 crew members on the one side of the breach ay 400 meters. If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. Powered by Invision Community, Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers!". Fires, backs up to cover from return fire etc, flanks if need be. - If its not, he will hide and wait till you cap. I have said quite the opposite honestly. Of course it does, but this is not the argument here. There is a great deal of difference in comparing the significance of gun handling of two medium tanks and that of a lightweight TD and a heavyweight medium tank. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. (Petrol tanks under turret basket magicallyexplode when turret penned). If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. Just check the loadout on allied planes. warrior412, February 10, 2020 in General & Upcoming, Germany has a p-47 just like the allies? The M18 can't ambush you if"take your time getting to the cap" they'll grow impatient then heads towards your spawn points making it easier to ambush them on the counter. Penetration analysis is bugged with AP and APDS. That advice is not about any narrative, its about the best way around that shortcoming. While mobility has it's place, it's only one of the triad of armament, armor and mobility. Or this amazing times when you play the tractor simulator trying to get you slow vehicle to this surprising spot which takes you forever, and hoping that noone shoots or bombs you on the way there. The M18's like any vehicle that doesn't get shot. - East Germany suffers! 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. LORRAINE 40T AT 7.7?? One advisory to all readers interested in posting: before you do post, be warned that, No matter how well you argue or what evidence you cite, you will inevitably be attacked by the people who cling to beliefs of German victimhood if you speak out against it--, Nuclear Sciences, Robotics, All Things Engineering, History, There is no tech tree 6.7 medium tank now, what are you supposed to play if not a Tiger II? This is a battle of patience and cunning. Powered by Invision Community. If you check old war images of M4 tanks, you will see that not all of them had turret mounted .50cals. Thus, links were forged between the crime of public nuisance and the tort of private nuisance at an early stage in the development of the common law. It is a medium tank like the Panther II or T-44-100. While true a slower tank doesn'tneed totravel very far to find a position that overlooks the positions one wouldplan on exploiting so by the time the fast tanks shows up the slow tankis waiting in its position ready to fire as the fast tank usually has to travel across half the map and the slow tank only has to travel a quarter of the map or less to counter. What do you expect? Join the Discord Here: https://discord.gg/cgctjTR5hjHope you all enjoy this video/short from an interesting moment in-game! And no I wasn't talking about the swingfire I mean the 7.7 german raketenjagdpanzer 2 literally fires the same missiles as the STRV.81 (which also has a gun) and yet sits a whole BR higher for some reason. The issue is that T__ are better than every heavy in game all the way up until the IS-3, and their BR should reflect that. An Panther however loses his main advantage of better armor. There's only one brit 6.7 with atgms, but theres like 5 total with stabs and apds, Also no, the long 88 does not go through T__ tanks with ease, you have to shoot for weakspots which is quite difficultif the enemy is moving or at long range. If your going to pull the hvars are the best thing out their it shows how little you know. Because they know that there will be most probably a trap when they arrive at the cap point. And Germany has long 88s also at 5.7. If anyone has any genuine strategy for killing T__ I'm all ears. It was introduced in Update "Red Skies". And it is this knowledge that will the panther driver often stop from advancing beyond certain points on the map, because he thinks: " There is probably a M18 on the enemy team and based on my experience and knowledge of the map I know that beyong this point there is a high chance that the M18 is somewhere on the edge of the map behind a hill and is waiting till I leave my cover. And yes theoretically the bigger and slower tank could try the same tactic, just that it would take him much longer to react, he would be easiert to spot and aim at, and you would give the enemy more time to shoot at you when you cross open terrain. As if the game and the race to the capture point ends the moment they get to it and then it just sits there waiting for the Panther to roll in. Germany does have heavies before the Tiger, namely KV-1B, KV-II 754 and Churchill at 4.0 and KV-1C at 4.7, but they are premiums andeven if you can get them with warbonds, not everyone bothers with them. For the record, I am always sporting a tank only line-up in ground battles, I just hate planes and helis in ground battles. Tried to flank with the Tortoise? But the T34doesn't wreck anymore havok than a Tiger 2 h 10.5 does. When you do see them, they won't make up 100% of the team composition and they won't even make up 100% of the UK composition since there is a chance for there to be Charioteers and Cent Mk 1s to be thrown into the mix. On 13/02/2020 at 09:16, watch_your_fire said: On 13/02/2020 at 00:46, AnimeThighs said: On 13/02/2020 at 10:33, WilderHans said: On 15/02/2020 at 09:37, Inflatable_CampR said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers! Depends on the BR really. I myself often wonder why German players don't just take out their CAS when playing against 5.7-7.7 brits for example, since most of the brit tanks at that level can be easily penned even by .50 cal weapons from the air. Other nations have a lot of fast backups with good guns, like the M18, T114, M50, ASU 85, Falcon etc. In a 1 on 1 I would just throw a dice and pick one possible option hoping that he will appear there? If you would have told me you hit the outsides of the turret face no real angling makes it any flatter than what it is. pzkpfw ii ausf l luchs 37mm war thunder official forum. It's scary and you die whichever you run into. Armor profile is meh also and they are abit slower than the tiger 2s surprisingly. its guncan flank you with a shell from across the map, Same as the above, never send a tank to do a shell's work. To say that . All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. MBIZO CHIRASHA( International -Zimbabwean) is a Pan-Writivism Laureate Literary Arts Activism Diplomate/Influencer, Certified Projects Curator, African Writing Associate/Visiting Arts Programs, World Renowned Anthologist, Poet in-Residence Emeritus ,Festivals Convener/Speaker/ SpokenWordArtist. Your best chance would be using Japan yourself, Ah I see. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . Spitfires can see the issue. Once he has spotted you, you are basically dead. Internal mods of higher tier vehicles are more durable, sometimes not even the engine starts burning if you shot a shell into the back of an rank 4 enemy. People wildly overstate the extent of this. And the Tiger 2s consistently bounce shells they are by no means slouches and have a thicker hull than the T series which will say no to most rounds that fly at it outside of apds which can be angled to avoid for the most part and or heat. Puma 50mm Panzergranate has pretty low post pen damage on higher tier tanks. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. panzer ii light tank military history. Also, let's not forget that Germany has a proper line-up of SPAAs till 8.0, if you discount the gap between 6.7 and 8.0, so 1.3BR gap. Personally, I'd rather be able to harm an enemy frontally than a bit faster than him but forced to flank. Yes, but just pointing out that "Japanese bias" has been used before. The allegation is that because the Germans Tigers and Panthers cannot keep pace with the Americans M18s, the Russians T-34-85s and other like vehicles that the Germans simply cannot compete with these vehicles or the teams that use them. As the matter relates to teams' statuses and ticket bleed, the capture point's alignment once captured is ended from the moment it is captured until the moment that hold on it is broken or the game ends. Call me when it has the bombs and rockets just like the allies. It's very weak side armor also means that it's close to pointless to angle it, compared to the Tiger I. German early jets are outperformed by pretty much by everything at their br. The Ju-288C is breaking the super prop part of the game, what solutions are likely to be tried to solve this issue (I understand if you can't really answer this one)? Well one or two not that much but a bit more and flying becomes more problematic. I'd love to hear an in depth explanation of why you think that. He can get to cap first and setup an ambush. As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. Frontally there are no easy weakspots. By Plus there are only few maps thatfavor this strategy. The T34 where as it has more penetration it has a longer reload and solid shot which recently seems to have suffered a reduced damage output off it round. Apds still has a low damage output. Only switch to the 3rd auto gear if going down hills and on flat roads. Japan's OP type 90 has been given an equal. The only real difference between the 2 is the people playing them. NO 4.3 FRENCH TANKS? What do you expect? However there comes the real germany suffers thing. Or is it? And in realistic they are mainly on maps with japan fighting on one side. (Oh how many times I have shot the IS6 turret from 400m and all I did was turn the gunner yellow) Plus they have things like T44 which are very bouncy to the 88. Forming a wide line and covering each other. And the you said the atgms you made it sound like they were common place. It's as hard to shoot a the turret of a tiger 2 as it is to shoot a T series turret. I've said that I'm looking at things that are perceived as suffering but aren't in the interest of finding and isolating the true examples for sake of fixing these things. Both the american 76mm and the russian 85mm will penetrate that front plate if not correctly angled. Any player should understand that, especially new players! Its not like I am proposing to ram the enemy. The 5.7 Tiger need APCR for that, which the 5.3 Tiger doesnt have. 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