Insightful. Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? John Bruce Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Ramblin' Pete Jeff is still the starting Safety for the Cowboys. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Raymond Malcuit But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. Once the Tigers won in 84 I gave up on having a 2nd favorite because their win did nothing for me. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. John Bruce But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. That would make him a star in today's market. Late 80s? May 7, 2013 Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. October 18, 2008 Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Really? John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. "It was an emotional experience and an emotional time in my life," he explained to Detroit radio host Dale Conquest in 1982. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. May 7, 2013 As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Bobster1985 Dianna Jeanneh Jones Man, he was a big one. Tigers Mickey Lolich signed Jersey WCOA. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! September 12, 2002 July 15, 2016 His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. March 5, 2006 Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. That's more realistic but generous, I think! support. Mickey loved his Harley. October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. mets Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Peter Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Mr. Sparkle Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Randy Tate To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. May 6, 2003 As a teenager, he excelled playing in American Legion Baseball and in the Babe Ruth League, setting Oregon state records for strikeouts. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. March 22, 2005 July 15, 2016 Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. mets McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. March 22, 2005 Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. NYB Buff Man, he was a big one. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. body would be a pretty slender person. So why did you try to destroy the guy? By limiting the hired help to a waitress at the counter, one at the 24- hour drive-through window and a baker for the overnight shift, Lolich said he will be in a position to retire in six years, at 50. of money. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Doug S. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Man, he was a big one. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Jamey Bumbalo In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Bob P The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Max Power December 20, 2019 He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. April 6, 2012 Logan Swanson Gary from Chesapeake He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. October 18, 2008 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. July 15, 2016 There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. November 10, 2002 The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. December 20, 2019 He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. December 20, 2019 Joe Figliola Mike B Bob P My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. The Purple Gang were a mob of bootleggers from Detroit in the 1920's. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." November 3, 2006 But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. October 4, 2005 He had terrific stuff. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. October 4, 2005 Really? September 12, 2002 Jamey Bumbalo Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. 170 lbs.? Jim Snedeker No contest. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Doug S. October 2, 2005 In association with Mets By the Numbers, we present a full history of who wore what number, and when! snook Raymond Malcuit As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Rusty could hit with the lights out. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! But Don Grant was bananas, and he took the first decent offer he received. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. support. November 19, 2002 April 20, 2002 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. feat fan You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. The first day of each season! He is an actor, known for The Incredible Melting Man (1977), 1972 American League Championship Series (1972) and 1968 World Series (1968). McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. July 15, 2016 An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. That's more realistic but generous, I think! Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. No contest. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. LA-Mets I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Lolich was an outstanding pitcher who had just experienced an off season in Detroit. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. bob saunders Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. April 24, 2003 I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Doug S. NYB Buff senor ortiz C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Mickey Lolich seemed so overweight and out of shape that he threw almost underhand. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Feat Fan September 29, 2007 Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. September 25, 2013 April 23, 2003 Cut him some slack. '', Lolich and his wife, Joyce, left the ball park without answering questions about how the current team compares to Detroit's last pennant winner. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. senor ortiz But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Mickey Lolich Stats, Fantasy & News. September 29, 2007 support. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. 170 lbs.? (thankfully returning in '81). Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. April 27, 2013 Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. October 19, 2011 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. February 27, 2002 Bobster1985 Rusty could hit with the lights out. June 11, 2003 November 12, 2006 Rusty played another decade. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. April 6, 2012 October 18, 2008 senor ortiz He and Al Kaline both starred on the Tigers' 1968 World Series Championship team. October 19, 2011 October 13, 2008 However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. July 15, 2016 But the facts are: Really? Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. And complaining about how fat he was? He started 45 games and completed 29. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. What an interesting parallel, huh? He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. End of Line Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Lolich has been retired since 1979, after having won 217 games, plus 3 more in the 1968 World Series, when he led Detroit to a victory over the Cardinals. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. (thankfully returning in '81). Career, season, and individual game leaders at your fingertips! The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Randy Tate NYB Buff December 13, 2007 November 19, 2002 Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Raymond Malcuit Jr. - Now for the trade itself. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. snook McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Al Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Mickey Lolich was born on 12 September 1940 in Portland, Oregon, USA. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." The bat-and-ball-shaped sign confirms that the shop belongs to the Mickey Lolich, the lefty who won 217 games and struck out 2,832 batters in a 16-year career with the Detroit Tigers. LA-Mets He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. support. August 7, 2002 All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. eddiek As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Bob P Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? January 12, 2011 And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him.

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